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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 11, 2007 18:05:40 GMT -5
What would have happened if Scar had succeeded in his plot? That would mean: - Both Simba and Mufasa would have died.
- He would have permanent and undisputed controll over the pride, for the rest of his life.
- Nala would never have found anyone to help the pride.
- Simba would never had intervened when he did.
- The pride would have either have starved, or revolted.
- The hyenas would have either revolted, or slain the lionesses.
- If scar still had controll over anyone by then, Nuka would assume the throne.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Post by Prince Simba on Jul 11, 2007 19:47:07 GMT -5
With the lack of food, both the hyenas and the lionesses would want some sort of change. The hyenas are only staying because they've been promised "that they'll never go hungry again," so I think they would abandon Scar (except maybe Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed who seem to be his personal minions) and go outside the Pridelands. I don't think the lionesses would starve themselves, as their "loyalty" to Scar wouldn't be that strong, and they would probably have revolted if Scar continued to refuse to move the pride. But, the lionesses who turned into the Outlanders must have some reason for being loyal to Scar... maybe there would be a civil war over control of the throne?
I have to say, what-if scenarios are interesting... hehe, maybe Nala would find Simba's ghost, and he would tell her to go back and turn the tide on the war...
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 11, 2007 21:12:49 GMT -5
Even if they hyenas and lionesses didn't side together, either faction [as we have clearly seen] is more than enough to overpower a lone lion...
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Post by KiarasMate on Jul 12, 2007 2:36:55 GMT -5
Why does Nuka get to take over? Why not Kovu? lol
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 12, 2007 6:07:44 GMT -5
Nuka is scar's actual son. Kovu probably wouldn't have been chosen.
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Post by mpo'Simba on Jul 12, 2007 7:18:27 GMT -5
Interesting question about Kovu... Kovu wasn't Scars son, thus he would have no chances to take Scar's place. Except one thing, Kovu could challenge Nuka and kill him
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 12, 2007 8:01:22 GMT -5
The possibility of that happening would have been slim to none. Nuka, growing up in the pride lands, might have had access to better food, than the feild rats of the outlands. He probably would have been in much better health than in SP.
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Post by mpo'Simba on Jul 12, 2007 11:26:13 GMT -5
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 12, 2007 11:34:00 GMT -5
Either way, Kovu would have been shunned, or even killed.
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Post by mpo'Simba on Jul 12, 2007 11:43:21 GMT -5
Hm... Kove had been adopted before Scar lost his position, so... I think nothing would changed for him... However, we know that he became powerful because Zira trained him...
Thus, no Simba means no almighty Kovu...
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 12, 2007 11:44:10 GMT -5
....Which means he still would have had little to no significance to the others. Nothing more than another lion.
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Post by Prince Simba on Jul 12, 2007 19:27:01 GMT -5
Hmm, Nuka would need to change his policies from Scar's to keep any power at all, so he'd either have to embrace the "Circle of Life" ecology, or move the pride. Considering how he's portrayed in TLKSP, would he do either, lol? And Kovu would still be King Nuka's half-brother, and if the revolt happens early enough in his life, Kovu might not be jealous of Nuka taking the throne, and might even support him...
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 12, 2007 19:30:37 GMT -5
Interesting.... But then who would rule? Surely Nuka wouldn't be a kind and benevolent ruler, going by the environment he was raised in...
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Post by KiarasMate on Jul 13, 2007 3:53:19 GMT -5
Woah lol. look what I started I only said why Nuka because it seemed to me, that despite Scar killing or not killing Simba, that really didn't change anything for him. He still got his way and was crowned king. I think had he have killed Simba too, he would have still been king and still have "hand-picked" Kovu to follow in his paw prints. Because Nuka and Kovu were apparently both around during the time of Scar's reign so no matter if Simba was alive or dead, it wouldn't have changed that fact. So why would Scar choose Nuka this time around? Nuka was still more related to Scar than Kovu was when Simba was still alive, yet Scar chose Kovu over his own flesh and blood. I think Kovu would have grown up to be the type of lion Scar was if he had never met Kiara and done the whole TLK2SP bit lol. Just seeing the way Zira was able to mold him into the lion "she" wanted is enough evidence to me that Scar would have had no problem doing the same thing to him. ^^ This is just my thoughts though Raf and I'm not trying to argue lol. Just want to voice my opinion.
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 13, 2007 13:52:58 GMT -5
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Going by that theory, Kovu would be king, yes? Nuka would probably be jealous of being shirked his place as king much like scar was, and that would mean Nuka would make an attempt on Kovu's life, wouldn't it?
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Post by KiarasMate on Jul 13, 2007 16:24:15 GMT -5
Yes, I can totally see that happening as well. Now if it came down to just a straight 1 on 1 fight however, if Kovu turned out the way he did in TLK2SP, as in his size and strength, and Nuka turned out the same way he did in TLK2SP, all skinny and well, annoying lol, I don't think Nuka would stand a chance if it came down to that. Now if Nuka, somehow came up with an ingenious plan like Scar did, (although come on, this is NUKA we're talking about here. The word genius is one of the last words I think anyone would use to describe him lol) then maybe, he might be able to dethrone Kovu.
I also wonder how Zira would have turned out lol. I mean, the only thing that made her into what she was in TLK2SP, was the fact that Simba killed Scar, so if this never took place, would she be a loving, caring lioness like we briefly saw in TLK2SP when Nuka was killed or would she turn out even more ruthless, since she'd be with Scar 24/7 and I'm sure his nature would rub off on her?
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 13, 2007 16:26:12 GMT -5
Actually, I think she'd probably go nuts, training Nuka to kill Kovu, if Kovu had failed in his attempt to kill Nuka.
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Post by KiarasMate on Jul 13, 2007 20:03:01 GMT -5
lol. You think she'd really go behind Scar's back and have Nuka try and kill Kovu? Sounds like the kind of action Scar wouldn't tolerate. I definately think they'd be a very dysfunctional royal family to say the least. You have Scar, who was crazy enough to kill his own brother and nephew, just to get what he wanted. You have Zira, who is the mate of this crazy lion. She probably isn't quite right in her head either. You got Nuka, um, yeah, enough said and you have Kovu, who probably is the most normal out of all of them, even though he's not related to Scar lol but he's the most gullible out of them all and is easily swayed to whatever side Zira or Scar want him to be on. If the hyena's didn't ruin the Pridelands and force everyone to a certain life of hardship and misery, the family structure probably would have done them in, in the end.
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Post by ♠Rafiki♠ on Jul 14, 2007 0:13:19 GMT -5
If he was so easily swayed, then Zira could have easily lured him into another trap, and have had him killed by means that would have seemed like an accident!!
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Post by KiarasMate on Jul 14, 2007 1:32:38 GMT -5
Yup, she probably could, but assuming her feelings were as strong for Kovu as they were for Nuka in TLK2SP, I don't see her being able to do that to her own cub lol. Speaking of cubs, where does Vitani fit into all this? What becomes of her and what's her place in this rather oddly messed up family pride? lol
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